No, it just means CCP is so caught up in pleasing a small percentage of their player base, when clearly there is a larger portion that wants more PvE aspects added. I bet if CCP were to really do something about adding WiS and more PvE elements, this games subs would go through the roof.

i dont know why people think that pve automatically means mining.


Why most people play solo or mostly solo;

1. have you ever tried to do something with a lot of people in this game. It takes forever just to form up let alone run a sweep of lowsec or spent hours station camping/gate camping. If its a weekday and you have a job to go to then solo is sometimes the only option.

2. Running missions/nullbearing is always a good way to raise isk

3. If you only have an hour or two to kill then group work is not an option.

4. lots more that i cant remember

OMG - null-sec is for a few people that live eat and breath EVE. That is the truth of the matter. There are far more pople that play this game on a more casual basis. They are not interested in holding territories. They just want to play a sci-fi game. EVE is one of the only really decent sci-fi games out right now. If another triple AAA - good sci-fi game - was on the market - that had the same sandbox qualites - EVE would die.

... like you.

That's what drives me off every time.

You are not, and I repeat not, one of the better features of EVE.

If I want the real world, I'll turn off the "game" and walk out my front door. This is supposedly a game - remember?

I'm all for sandbox. The problem is - you are not. You want thegame to revolve around you and your gaming style and forget that there are tons more people playing this game than just you.

Huh? WTF are you talking about? You are making no sense whatsoever? If you think I am against ganking...LMAO!

Errr... source? linky?

Yes you.

It wasn't 75% and, as always, it wasn't players. So no, [whatever]% of players are not in highsec.

By the way, do you have an actual source for that?

Fine. The point I'm making is that as soon as you see someone make a claim where that [whatever] is replaced with an actual number, you can be sure that they've made it up since no such number has ever been presented.

In particular, it's a rather silly mistake to believe that GÇ£charactersGÇ¥ equates to GÇ£peopleGÇ¥.

When its CCP doing it....

Unless you dont believe them either then yeah, like I said; Tippia tinfoil best tinfoil

Dont' be silly, if EVE is a sandbox then it's what players make of it. If it's over 50% solo PvE then it's a PvE game.

In reality, all that's happened is that a whole lot of PvE players are playing EVE because it's the only s-f game in town. It looks great, and it's rich and complex with many ladders of achievement. At best, most of the PvE-ers who play it are reconciled to the "danger" of being violenced by PvP.

IOW, the shenanigans you PvP dudes get up to just give a background sense of aliveness to the game for the rest of us

Oh, and, it's only a game ...

Who said anything about democracy?

Here are a bunch of tools, which include PvE elements and PvP elements. There's your sandbox. If it so happens that the majority of players who play the game pick up the PvE tools and don't use the PvP tools, if that forms the majority of the activity in the game, then it's a PvE game by function. (Incidentally, to forestall a certain line of criticism, it should be obvious that ships are lost in PvE too.)

IOW, the sandbox was created with a mixture of PvE and PvP activities possible in it, and lo and behold, it turns out that most of the people who come into the game play it as a casual solo PvE game. (Possibly - I dunno if that's actually true, just arguing the point, but it seems about right since every other MMORPG is like that too - most subs are from casuals, and most casuals are soloers.)

The fact that the PvP element of "danger" is always present even for PvE-ers is then merely a result of a minority of players picking up the PvP tools in the sandbox and playing with them.

And that's perfectly ok, since it's a sandbox

What is even funnier is that the vast majority of PvP is taking place now in high-sec rather than low and null sec. RvB makes up the most. RvB is like the casual version of PvP. You don't have to live EVE in order to enjoy some PvP.

Post with your frikken main...

POINT!

Yeah look, concerning the bolded bit up there, I have a job and a family. I'm the boss all day and I only have between one and three hours to log on to Eve for some fun and laughs. Tore down the hisec POS because feeding it got to be like a job. Damned if I'm gonna burn too many IQ points doing personnel, logistics and accounting work when I log on.
If that's what you enjoy, or need to feel like you're significant, go for it. I'm playing Eve for fun and the srs bsnss pvppppppers often strike me as a tragic minority of douches. The CSM is loaded with em so they can vent their frustrations maybe?

Yeah you really didn't address anything there no offense. One doesn't have to lead a community to be a part of it. For every "Dynamic Leader" and "Heroic Logistics Team" there are a dozen guys who just play when they can, chill out and are active members of the community who add to it by simply being there.

The fact that the "Incursion Community" couldn't survive a punchdown in payouts that brought it about even with mission running just shows that it was never a "Community". Just a means to an end. There is nothing embarrassing about it. Our incursion SIG (Special Interest Group) literally keeled over and died with the changes, and we were doing them in low. We were there for the money, when the money dried up to the point where doing anoms in our home space was a similar enough payout not to justify living out of our carriers, we went home.

Oh and I think they got hit too hard as well. But that's neither here nor there.

Oh hey: Knowledge that I can post on!

Highsec incursions did pay less, but the complete lack or risk allowed for fitting and optimization that made them pay out far more than a group doing lowsec incursions could make if they were to fit prudent to their situations due to the speed at which they could be run.

The name of the game in lowsec incursions was HAC's and T3's that way you were moderately nimble, well tanked and small sigged running with at least 3 logi's. This was pretty much how they had to be run in null and low because tangling with pirates wasn't something that "May" happen. It was something that simply was going to happen.

I didn't go to a single incursion where we didn't fight off a gang or lose members of the incursion group to gangs that successfully jumped us.

If we were to run the big Mach/Vindi etc etc etc gangs like the highsec people were: We'd have been murdered in very expensive ships due to the giant sigs.

Well, it's a case of, if you can pull numbers out of your ass that are likely to be more accurate, be my guest, but until you do so, I think I'll just believe what the game's economist tells me, that 70-ish percent of PEOPLE play in High-Sec.

Somehow I think they are able to factor multiple accounts and all the rest of it into their calculations - I should think they probably have information about IPs and credit cards

The goal shouldn't be getting people into low/null. The goal should be getting people to do stuff as a group. Those that are drawn to nullsec for the opportunities will make the effort...if they have a group to work with.

this ^^

I've got no interest in sitting at my computer, playing EVE for 40 hours a week. And, I imagine that the vast majority of players here are the same way.

Also, it is a GAME!! "Actually fight for something" really? And, all my real connections are formed in real life.

When you start making those kind of statements, its time to take a very long break. If you had a job that you took that seriously, you'd probably be making a great income... just saying.

That guy is the reason I'll never have an interest in null-sec... sheesh.

Dolt. I don't mine. I think non-consensual pvp in high-sec is great and should be encouraged. Don't have a problem PvPing myself on occasion, its just not what I prefer to do in the sandbox.

That wasn't a statement about mechanics or PVE vs. PVP. That was a statement about the prevailing attitude of null-sec players. I really could care less about e-peen measurements and the internet tough guy crap. I also have no interest in dedicating my life to EVE, no matter how good the game is.

I prefer spend the majority of my time in reality, and my leisure time in EVE. That's why I don't belong in null.

Yes, because anyone who doesn't enjoy the exact same gameplay that you do must be wrong. And people will adopt a gameplay that they don't enjoy instead of just leaving right?

Did you ever think that maybe some people play Eve because they want to be a miner? Crazy I know. It''s like SWG, some people wanted to be Uncle Owen and not Luke Skywaker - SOE made the decision that everyone had to fit into 8 cookie cutters and you see how well that worked out for them.

Gameplay restriction - > Player Attrition -> Less Revenue -> Less Development -> No Game Growth

Go ahead, grief more - when all that is left is griefers and ships are going for Billions of ISK because supply has collapsed, at least you can look at your epeen while singing "I did it my way".

You, mi friendly comrade, are right.